$500 Chump Car Build??? – You Decide

First, I don’t have an axe to grind (but that’s beside the point, so if you think I’m grinding on an axe, so be it – I don’t care, this is about something else).  Chump Car accepted the following vehicle as a $500 build – it’s their game, so it’s their call.  Some people, it turns out, would like to understand how they got there.    

I  know that this topic is very interesting to many people (because lots of them find this blog while searching for “chumpcar cheaters”, “chumpcar penalties” and things like that).  I believe that discussion about these things can be productive (and interesting).  My original plan was to write a story about how a car that was the subject of some “sideways” looks (by me and others) was built.  The owner / builder of the car was quite offended that anybody (me, specifically) wasn’t particularly impressed by his $500 build claim, and had offered to show me his receipts and build log as “proof” of it’s compliance with the rules (as if I don’t know what it costs to build one of these things…).  As soon as I declared my intention to accept the offer, it was rescinded.  If you care to dig into the genesis of this discussion you can read it here – and,  if you like math (and complicated obfuscations) there is even some data from the builder to crunch.   

I like Eddie (the owner) and those on his team that I know – I was the lead instructor at his SCCA Licensing School a couple of years ago and specifically recall that he is a nice guy and a competent driver (he even used my number on his car – that was sweet of him…).  And, for the record, I like and respect many of the guys whom I’ve filed formal protests about at “real” races in the past (yes, I am a guy who will write a protest when the option exists).  These sorts of discussions will always be part of racing – even if we were racing slot cars.   

Chump Car was adamant that they would enforce the $500 build rule – this is the original source of confusion (if you write a rule and then clarify it’s meaning, please enforce your rule – I took the time to read it, please don’t insult my intelligence).  My suggestion is that a mechanism be established for competitors to have a path to follow regarding conflicts in rules interpretation – currently there is none.  At 24 Hours of LeMons races, for example, that mechanism is “The Peoples Curse”.  And again, this is a different deal, and if Chump Car chooses to rely on the “Benevolent Dictator” model, we’ll either live with it, or not.  In any case, I’ll probably still write about it.    

Rather than risk continuing to sound like the transporter of a bunch of sour grapes, I’ll simply post pictures of the car in question during the build process and let the builder (and readers) fill in the “blanks” as he see’s fit.  I’ll even start by identifying what I think the biggest “blank” is – it’s that it doesn’t “add up”.  For the record, I obtained these pictures from the Facebook photo album that the owner dedicated to the build process.  These pictures became available to me recently when a “friend” was tagged in that album.   

My point (in guiding you to the big “blank”) is that parts have value – all parts.  Safety equipment is excluded from the $500 budget, so don’t count any of that.  The Chump Car rules also place no value on labor or team theme (which includes paint, hookers, whatever…) – I’ll presume that means that you can’t credit yourself for labor done in the build process, either…  Look at where this car started and how it ended up.  Consider the following…   

  • Does this look like $500 worth of stuff to you?   
  • Parts have value – start adding them up 
  • Where did the parts come from? (are they special magic parts?) 
  • Or, what is the value of a complete, parts shedding, Miata donor car? 

If it turns out that using previously acquired parts (assigned zero value) to build a Chump Car is within the rules, then so be it.  That is a can of worms that might be interesting to explore, and I know just the guys to do it.   

salvaged from the weeds - nice find guys!!!
look ma, we got a race car!!!

   

"the bath"
this is the first build photo posted after "the bath"
that's the top that doesn't fit - so, it was "free"
$500 worth of parts... who woulda thunk it?
never mind the "Adrenaline Racing" sticker - we'll cover that up

 There’s a nice photo that shows what could be the “donor car” in the background that should go here.  It was saved on the Facebook page in a bitmap format which doesn’t work in the blog program.  The point is that Eddie has stated that a complete donor car existed – and to be fair, I wanted to point that out.   

Tail lights, rear finish panel, aftermarket rear bumper - $$$$ ????

Chump Car – Final

Here are the final results as found at mylaps.com.  If you click on each of the individual vehicles you can see a graph that shows the lap times over the course of the event (you need to be logged in with your mylaps.com account to do this, though). 

What I was able to learn from the lap chart is that, for the most part – (yes Garth, I mean you), The Team Partridge Family drivers followed the plan.  They did a great job for a bunch of guys that (except for one) had never seen a green flag before.  I’m proud of you.  You ran as high as 2nd before the electrical issues dragged us down.

You did that in a car that was 9.998 seconds slower (on its fastest lap) than the overall winner.

I think particular kudos go to the “World Rally Chumps” for coming 4th with a slowish car that it looked like any yahoo off the street could build in his garage.  I think that is inspiring to those that don’t regularly get an opportunity to experience the “joy of racing” with their buddies.  Well done.

The “Beach Dudes” car was awesome, too.

Pos No. Name Laps Total time Diff Best time In lap Best speed
1 33 Git Miata Here 594 20:26:03.611   1:39.251 467 71.419
2 5 Dagobah II 580 20:26:50.985 14 Laps 1:39.176 532 71.473
3 2 Coalition of the Willing 572 20:26:35.675 22 Laps 1:43.961 463 68.183
4 7 World Rally Chumps 566 20:26:56.458 28 Laps 1:48.332 437 65.432
5 88 team rusty fishhook 564 20:27:54.015 30 Laps 1:42.440 475 69.196
6 0 Pole Position Racing 562 20:26:31.466 32 Laps 1:42.137 502 69.401
7 82 Autosport Lab Rats 551 20:28:04.498 43 Laps 1:35.782 438 74.006
8 29 Team Produnk 541 20:26:29.658 53 Laps 1:40.402 494 70.600
9 55 Team RSI 538 20:26:56.555 56 Laps 1:41.379 510 69.920
10 94 Team Partridge Family 527 20:27:33.086 67 Laps 1:49.253 267 64.881
11 42 Beach Dudes 520 20:23:43.902 74 Laps 1:50.294 511 64.268
12 47 Pistons are Highly Over-Rated 517 20:27:41.949 77 Laps 1:45.702 286 67.060
13 80 Free Range Racing 515 20:27:00.131 79 Laps 1:42.328 436 69.271
14 3 Worker’s Revenge 513 20:26:58.011 81 Laps 1:46.140 405 66.783
15 74 TEAM IROC 507 20:27:33.954 87 Laps 1:45.681 420 67.074
16 86 Clean Racing 506 20:26:58.887 88 Laps 1:56.055 493 61.078
17 15 Government Motors DptHoMo 502 20:28:05.903 92 Laps 1:42.057 474 69.455
18 11 Happy Toyz 495 20:27:08.362 99 Laps 1:44.354 384 67.926
19 81 Reversed Darwinism 492 20:28:07.202 102 Laps 1:41.436 433 69.881
20 28 La Famila 490 20:26:47.182 104 Laps 1:50.759 408 63.998
21 89 Chia Bull 475 20:26:45.034 119 Laps 1:41.236 446 70.019
22 00 Breast Men 464 20:26:08.743 130 Laps 1:44.200 416 68.027
23 32 GumBall Rally 454 20:26:48.728 140 Laps 1:44.676 309 67.718
24 8 Miyagi Do 442 20:27:08.822 152 Laps 1:42.428 362 69.204
25 99 Eh! Team 440 20:26:30.296 154 Laps 1:44.519 391 67.819
26 96 Team TSR 2 440 20:27:53.036 1:22.740 1:46.102 299 66.807
27 13 GERI-AT-TRICKS OR TREATS 439 17:38:36.025 155 Laps 1:43.360 357 68.580
28 69 rockerzin dockerz 431 20:26:38.431 163 Laps 1:49.550 381 64.705
29 95 Team TSR 405 16:57:35.496 189 Laps 1:46.169 355 66.765
30 1 Squirrels of Fury 391 20:26:36.185 203 Laps 1:42.970 212 68.839
31 87 Cobra Kai 358 17:56:28.549 236 Laps 1:44.511 350 67.824
32 10 Squirrels of Fury == Unfair Ad 347 20:26:08.858 247 Laps 1:42.560 325 69.115
33 6 Stumptown Chumpsters 314 19:52:43.975 280 Laps 1:43.501 227 68.486
34 22 KamiKhazi 298 20:26:45.265 296 Laps 1:41.577 271 69.784
35 20 The Brian Towey Surfing School 275 10:05:23.147 319 Laps 1:45.475 257 67.205
36 40 Red Rocket Rally 263 20:27:44.026 331 Laps 1:52.116 160 63.224
37 67 Size Does Matter 72 2:43:16.306 522 Laps 1:57.260 71 60.450
38 31 Bullitt Film Car 66 18:19:33.055 528 Laps 1:45.253 26 67.346

Chump Car = $500 Cars?

Not quite.

Here’s a video of some of the cars that passed the $500 “acid test”.

A discussion has been started by a Chump Car official over on their website claiming that grumblings about the lack of enforcement (re: the $500 prep rule) are not well founded – actually, I have reason to believe he’s talking about me. 

Probably most recently here and previously here.

This is the post:

Contrary to opinions…

Hi Chumps – 3:30am and I’m sitting in the tower, watching the fog role in and out… and I had a moment to respond to an issue that was bouncing around the paddock earlier today.

I’ve read some of the comments about some of the “eligibility” and $500 legality of certain cars here at PIR. Yes, there is an ex-Spec Miata in the race; however, they did swap put all of the “race” suspension for junk, stock suspension, and the powertrain was VERY used and stock. As many of you know, I have have raced in Spec-Miata and I have two Miatas that I have campaigned in LeMons… so I know a POS Miata when I see one. So, upon a very thorough inspection, ChumpCar determined that this car was no different then buying ANY used race car and downgrading it to crap-can standards. We have been watching the lap times and handling of many cars — some that we thought may have been borderline — and no one has been “pulling away.” We have not seen any unfair advantages and, if anything, those cars which were suspect of legality have, in my opinion, underperformed. Bottom line — there will always be a car (or cars) that are suspect of cheating. ChumpCar is not immune from opinions or rumors… and unless you’re the one that is crawling under and through the car to check legality issues, everyone will have to trust the Safety and Technical Inspection Team to do their job.

All the best –
John

The comments that follow in that thread are great – whiners?.  Really?  That’s the best you’ve got?

No, it isn’t.., you’ve also got (from the forum) – “Additionally, the rules kind of prohibit convertibles. So a hard top might fall under safety.”  This can’t possibly be a serious defense.

I think Chump Car is a cool idea (it is different from LeMons) and I’m glad they decided to come to Portland.  And, if they say a car is elligible, it is.  There is reason to believe, because of comments and writings of officials, that they want us to believe they are “serious” about the $500 car thing.  My opinion is that they are not, and I’ve cited specific examples (including the cost of parts on the car) – I’ve got plenty more, if you want to go there.  Don’t show me a duck and insist it’s a pig.  If it walks, talks and quacks like a duck…

My opinion (and you are welcome to yours) is that they missed the stated target.  That’s all.  And, if this really is racing, then working over your competitors about the legality of their cars and the officials (when necessary)  is part of the process.  So get off your high (I’ve been doing this for 2 years and I’m really experienced) horse and get over it. 

I believe that “Chump Car” will get it right and they could use help from competitors in understanding what we think “right” is (again, my opinion).  If you think they did get it right, tell them so.

I’ll look over at the Chump Car forum occassionally and chime in if the discussion continues (and becomes more interesting, read: smarter), but more people are coming to this blog, so feel free to discuss it here if you like.  If you post a comment, an admin will approve it, even if it is contrary to my stated “opinion”.

Chump Car – Lap 584 ( 1446 pst)

I think this is all correct, it was taken off of the live timing monitor of somebody more important than us that is close enough to the “good” end of the pit lane to make the timing program work.

Git Miata Here, with 584 laps

Dagobah II – 570

Coalition of the Willing – 563

World Rally Chumps – 556

team rusty fishhook – 554

Pole Position Racing

Autosport Lab Rats

Team Produnk

Team RSI (formerly in 3rd place, but back on track)

Eh! Team (???)

Beach Dudes – 519 (behind the wall and about to be passed for 10th by…..)….

Team Partridge Family – 518

Chump Car – Lap 529

Get Miata Here, 529 laps

Dagobah II, – 14 laps

Coalition of the Willing, -18 laps

Team RSI, -22 laps

World Rally Chumps, -26 laps

42, 10th -55

The Partridge Family is still 11th, -64 laps.  We are chasing Beach Dudes, but they are 9 laps ahead.  The Fiatcage.com sponsored Mediterranean style “machine para tailgato” is attacking off the back and is now 19th, 94 laps out, and looking good doing it.

Chump Car – Lap 494

The leaders are:

Git Miata Here, 494 laps

Dagobah II,  – 5 laps

Coalition of the Willing,  – 18 laps

Team RSI, – 23 laps

World Rally Chumps, – 24 laps

Reuben Kincaid and the fam are in 11th, 59 laps down (but in front of the mini-Mafia in 14th, – 65 laps).  The Partridges are 8 laps out of tenth (and only one out of 12th) with a car that is running poorly.

Chump Car – Lap 459 (1115 pst)

Git Miata Here, 459 laps

Dagobah II, -4 laps

Coalition of the Willing,  – 16 laps

Team RSI, – 19 laps

World Rally Chumps, – 21 laps

In the battle of local Spec Miata teams (the ones without Spec Miatas), Guido, and company, have regained the advantage over the Partridge Bus.  That Fiat has already run for 3 hours longer than any Italian race car in over 3 decades – any time now…

11 La Familia, – 52 laps

12 Partridge Family, – 56 laps

Everybody is a Comedian… or, What I Learned Watching Flipper

I will get even (even though it looks like God already took the first shot at it).  I learned watching “Flipper”, as a kid, that sharks are sensitive around the head area – remember Flipper ramming rogue sharks..?

something bigger than shark
speechless - I think my karma caught up with your dog-ma fish...